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Creationism vs. ID and Other Topics, Salvador Cordova’s Interview with Stephen Meyer

By accident I discovered a file I thought was forever lost. It was my 13-minute interview of Stephen Meyer in McLean, Virginia when he was on his book tour for his book Signature In the Cell.

I asked him 4 question, the first being, what is the difference between Creationism and Intelligent Design (ID).

I characterize Meyer as a Progressive/Old Earth Creationist. Many people in the ID community are Old Earth Creationists, but there are a few who are Young Earth Creationists like Paul Nelson.

But anyway, here is Stephen Meyer in his own words:

Stephen Meyer 4Qs

I somewhat adopted Meyer’s definition of Creationism and ID for several years, but after some thought, here are my definitions (which might be different from other people’s definitions).

CREATIONISM: Creationism encompasses two major lines of thought, Creation THEOLOGY and Creation SCIENCE. The two disciplines argue for miraculous special creation and a time line for those miracles. There are a variety of creationisms, mostly differentiated according to proposed time lines, such as Young Life Creationism, Young Earth Creationism, Young Age Creationism, Old Earth Creationism, Progressive Creationism, etc.

CREATION Theology: Theology regarding creation developed from sacred texts such as the Bible.

CREATION Science: Science supporting the hypothesis of miraculous special creation and time lines of the miracles. The approaches of Intelligent Design are sometimes incorporated into some aspects of creation science, but creation science encompasses larger questions than just ID.

Intelligent Design (ID): As a discipline, ID is the study of patterns in the physical world that suggest intelligent design. As a theoretical claim, ID claims that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

Intelligent Design Science: is science supporting the hypothesis of intelligent design.

At the Creation Evolution University Forum,

Creation Science explores things such as:

>fossil dating, flood geology, C14, K/Ar, radio metric dating, diffusion dating, racemization dating, DNA dating, stellar and planetary evolution, erosion dating, fast stratification, interpretations of the geological column, baraminology, distant starlight problem, Y-chromosomal Adam/Noah/Aaron/Abraham, mitochondrial Eve, Tower of Babel, Proton-21 laboratory, Sodom and Gomorrah, OEC,YEC, Progressive creation, white hole cosmology, Carmeli cosmology, VSL theories, alternate electrodynamics, mantle plume theories, folding rock theories, RATE work, planetary magnetism, faint young sun paradox, moon recession, ocean mineral saturation, astrometry and proper motion surveys, very long baseline interferometry, CMBR, moon evolution, cosmological vs. non-cosmological red shifts, polonium halos, Hydro Plates and Castastrophic Plates, varves, tree rings, noah’s ark, over thrusts, lithification, hydrologic sorting, canopy theory, crater theory, planetary heating, ancient civilizations, Atlantis, trophical trees in the arctic, woolly mammoths and tropical trees in Siberia, UFOs and creationism, comets and orbital mechanics, planet satellite capture problems, planetary rings, origin of folded rocks, the Grand Canyon, the Green River valley, the Three Sisters, mountain formation, seafloor formation, tectonics, etc.

Whereas, Intelligent Design explores things such as:

>design detection, design specification, irreducible complexity, origin of life, platonic forms, design matrix, population genetics, cybernetic theories, semiotic theories, Fishers’s fundamental theorem, Kimura’s neutral evolution, Darwinian evolution, modern synthesis, probability theories, fine tuning, typology, discontinuity systematics, steganography, evolutionary algorithms, published ID material, ID philosophy, front loaded evolution, omega point theory, anthropic principles, multiverses and many-worlds, panspermia, extra terrestrials, teleology in biology, redundant complexity and fault tolerance, algorithmic complexity, complexity measures, no free lunch, blindwatchmakers, bad design, evil design, junk DNA, DNA grammars, von Neumann replicators vs. autocatalysis, Quines, polyconstrained DNA, Mendel’s Accountant, DNA skittle, re-association kinetics, molecular clocks, GGU/GID models, enigma of consciousness and Quantum Mechanics, Turing machines, Lenski’s bacteria, thermodynamics, Avida, self organization, self disorganization, generalized entropy, Cambrian explosion, genetic entropy, Shannon information, proscriptive information, Programming of Life, law of large numbers, etc.

There will obviously be some overlap between Creation Science and Intelligent Design Science. I’ve gone on record as saying I don’t think ID in the ultimate sense is equal to experimental science (like say electromagnetic theory), but the science supporting ID (like probability analysis and predictions from the law of large numbers) is science, hence I create a category called Intelligent Design Science.